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Postby dandrew » Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:08 am

One more thing about vinyl (and I can't believe I forgot to mention it earlier). My old house had a serious flood in the basement about 10 years ago, destroying my four-track recorder, a few microphones, some tapes and......the jackets to my vinyl collection. I freaked out (especially about the last part - the other things were replaceable). I took all the records out of their jackets and let them dry. All the jackets (with the exception of Mr. Bungle's "Disco Volante" album) were warped and smelled bad. The records? Excellent condition (not "mint," mind you) and still, to this day, play as well as they did the first time I played them.

Now, if my laptop (with all the music on it) got wet like that - all that music would be gone. There's something to be said about a reliable, analog, hard copy of something.

And CD's aren't very reliable either....especially when you have little kids that like to put their grubby little hands all over the shiny piece of plastic.
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Postby Rodney » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:55 pm

dandrew wrote:Now, if my laptop (with all the music on it) got wet like that - all that music would be gone. There's something to be said about a reliable, analog, hard copy of something.


So you don't back up your data?
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Postby topherpie » Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:12 pm

I see there is the vinyl discussion once more. I mentioned this on a previous thread, but it went completely ignored (damn you Milkmen). There is a perfect solution - kickstarter.com. This will assure you that you will not lose money releasing the vinyl. It seems the perfectly sensible and easy solution. You don't get the 'backers', you don't press the vinyl. You get enough backers, you press the product, you are sure to make your money back with a possible profit. You can't lose. It's obvious from these discussions people would love to have this on a slab of vinyl.
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Re: Zip Issues

Postby DublinDead » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:16 pm

[quote="mrclean"]DublinDead - I've heard of a few folks who had zip issues - you can you contact the Nimbit folks via email and see if they can help: support@nimbit.com

I'm pretty sure they will get it sorted. Hope you like the album...[/quote]

Thanks they helped me out and I got to listen to it.

Good album, if anybody murdered their wife on the Shankill road nobody would ever find the body, I doubt they could afford Belfast linen either it isn't exactley cheap. :wink:
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Postby God's Kid Brother » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:28 pm

Rodney wrote:So let me get this straight, people are upset because we’re willing to charge them ten bucks to buy our music on a virtually indestructible format which is not only portable, but can be easily shared with others, and we’re not willing to charge them twenty bucks to buy our music on an antiquated, environmentally un-friendly, easily damaged, non-portable medium.


Yeah.. you got it straight. Whiny Rodney. You sound like you are being one of the people you just described.. clinging to a fad. Stop being so green.

People think differently than you do.. accept that. Some people (myself included) actually do prefer records to any other format.

MP3's sound tinny and the bass never sounds as good on them either.

Records capture the true song, the way it was intended to be.

If you don't believe me.. download any digitally remastered mp3 by The Beatles for instance.. then go buy a 1st edition record and compare the 2.

The digitally remastered crap blows. It takes out sounds that are supposed to be there. Gets taken out through the filtering process and lost forever.
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Postby dandrew » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:50 pm

Rodney wrote:So you don't back up your data?


Sure I do. But I don't have to buy two copies of a record. And, worse case scenario - my external drive gets destroyed along with my laptop. Then what?
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Postby zachy2 » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:51 pm

God's Kid Brother wrote:Records capture the true song, the way it was intended to be.


While I'd agree for albums that are mastered in analog, I'd guess TKIY was entirely digital.

And I think whatever Rodney wants is "the way it was intended to be" (though I hate mp3s too).
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Postby dandrew » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:53 pm

topherpie wrote:There is a perfect solution - kickstarter.com


Not a bad idea. I actually just learned what this was this past weekend.

And I don't think anyone was purposely ignoring you, but the conversation didn't get heated until this thread. Sorry. Plus, at that point I thought there still might be a chance for a vinyl release.
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Postby Rodney » Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:10 pm

OK, everybody put down your MENSA mugs and listen up, because I’m only going to explain this once more (I’ll type slowly this time):

My opposition to vinyl has nothing to do with any temporary monetary inconvenience which might be suffered by the band. In fact, I’m sure that we’d actually make money selling vinyl (as well as action figures, lunch boxes, and purity rings), which I think makes my stance a little more principled.

I’m opposed to releasing the King on vinyl for the following reasons (previously expressed ad nauseum):

1) Vinyl is a highly volatile, antiquated medium. In Dandrew’s example above he, obviously failed to account for what would have happened if his records had been left in the sunlight and become warped (in the bad sense of the word). We can forgive him for this oversight as he is currently busy begetting an orchestra.

Now, If I’m attacked by Ninjas in a men’s room (which occurs more frequently than one would imagine) and my mp3 player should fall into the porcelain unmentionable during the struggle, not only can I pick another one (which will hold approximately 400 songs) for less than $20.

Also, being a grown-up, I regularly back up my mp3’s (along with all my other important data) onto CD’s, so I won’t be losing any songs.
To me, selling you vinyl when mp3’s & CD’s are available would be like an airline also offering Coast-to-Coast covered wagon service for people who “really want to see America the way it was meant to seen.” Which brings me to…

2) I can’t help but feel that I’d be participating in the propagation of a bromidic form of nostalgia. Please note that when I complain about moronic hipsters and musical elitists who engage in the collection of vinyl, that I do not mean you, gentle reader (in much the same way, as Fran Liebowitz recently pointed out, that when Toni Morrison said “You should write that novel”, she did not mean all of you). Please STOP responding to my posts on this subject with “Well, I like vinyl because…” and immediately seek the help of a reading comprehension coach. I am not implying that all vinyl collectors are hipsters and snobs. However, just as not every FOX News viewer is an inbred hillbilly, yet every inbred hillbilly watches (with one hand on the remote and the other hand engaged elsewhere) FOX News, so can we safely assume that while not every vinyl enthusiast is a hipster snobtard, every hipster snobtard has a stack of vinyl. I am not, as any Classicist, Philosopher, or Kick Boxer could tell you, using Platonic logic to imply that Nipper is a dog. Nipper is on the RCA logo. Ergo, Nipper is a hipster vinyl collector. [$10 says that someone replies to this post with “Well, I collect vinyl, and I’m not a hipster…” This is why I drink.]

And while we’re at it, don’t blame me because I let a bunch of wanktards ruin my appreciation of vinyl (not that I ever had one). Blame Postmodernism for imbuing everything from trailer homes to Converse All Stars with a sense of irony.

3) And now a word to all of you “collectors” who might be reading this – well, three words, actually: “Please, stop it.” I love books. I used to enjoy having my books signed by their authors. Then one day it occurred to me that all of my autographed books were now only books in the technical sense; I no longer loaned them out without caring whether or not they returned. They were now just things that sat on a shelf. I make music to be played, shared and lambasted by the critics. To me, music is a verb. Take it jogging with you. Play it (loudly) in your car. Dance to it. Have sex (loudly) to it. Comic books and baseball cards are for collecting, not – in my (loudly) humble opinion – music nor books.

In conclusion, please let me say that going to the movies might of occasionally been a rewarding, communal experience (the way people who lament the advent of DVD’s and Content on Demand claim it was), but mostly I remember the majority of my time in theaters was spent telling the people behind me to shut the Hell up.

I lived through the Dark Ages of vinyl, when dust scratches and drunken friends claimed one fifth of all Europe albums (including my beloved copy of “The Final Countdown”). Today I live in Buck Rogers (also my nom de porn) world wherein the songs I hear streaming from Destroy All Monsters (my favorite internet station) are just a mouse click away. I, for one, am never going back!

So, how do you like the new songs?
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Postby zachy2 » Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:27 pm

I think most people are just pretending to like vinyl so that they can get the pleasure of reading your brilliant prose for free. That was awesome.

Rodney wrote:So, how do you like the new songs?

A fuckload!
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Postby topherpie » Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:42 pm

[quote="dandrew"][quote="topherpie"]There is a perfect solution - kickstarter.com[/quote]

Not a bad idea. I actually just learned what this was this past weekend.

And I don't think anyone was purposely ignoring you, but the conversation didn't get heated until this thread. Sorry. Plus, at that point I thought there still might be a chance for a vinyl release.[/quote]

Thank you for responding. It's a great idea, believe me. You can also have people back different options - like set a price to get a test pressing, etc. I guarantee if you guys go this route you will have plenty of support and can press the record with NO fear of losing money.

Oh, and eff Rodney's opposition to vinyl. ;-)
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Postby Brian Bubonic » Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:33 pm

How about 8-track or mini-disc?
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Postby mrbigtoughguychris » Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:16 pm

we don't have to go all the way to 8 track, a regular cassette might just be fine.
Rodney, you could get 1000 records pressed and smash one over the head of a hipster at every show for the rest of your life or you could chuck them out the window of your car at every single gear or scooter rider wearing his sister's jeans you see. If you decide on the latter you might need to get 10,000 pressed or more.
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Postby Cult Leader Lettuce » Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:16 pm

dandrew wrote:One more thing about vinyl (and I can't believe I forgot to mention it earlier). My old house had a serious flood in the basement about 10 years ago, destroying my four-track recorder, a few microphones, some tapes and......the jackets to my vinyl collection. I freaked out (especially about the last part - the other things were replaceable). I took all the records out of their jackets and let them dry. All the jackets (with the exception of Mr. Bungle's "Disco Volante" album) were warped and smelled bad. The records? Excellent condition (not "mint," mind you) and still, to this day, play as well as they did the first time I played them.


Same thing happened to me a couple years ago. I lost some cassettes (fortunately nothing that hadn't already been transferred onto my harddrive), lost the bottom harddrive in my desktop's harddrive stack (water hit the bottom of my PC before I was able to get it off the floor), had multiple cds immersed, and had a stack of records end up with ruined covers. Just like with you, the records are still in great shape, fortunately. The cds on the other hand, every one ended up having the liner notes paper sticking to the cd. The paper came off some okay, the paper came off along with the top aluminum layer on others. Those are unplayable.

dandrew wrote:Now, if my laptop (with all the music on it) got wet like that - all that music would be gone. There's something to be said about a reliable, analog, hard copy of something.


Indeed. It's always good to have a backup of the music on a second drive, or an external drive, but those can fail too, or if both are in the same area during a flood, or are affected by a power surge, you've lost it all. So, it's nice to have something that actually will survive something like that.

dandrew wrote:And CD's aren't very reliable either....especially when you have little kids that like to put their grubby little hands all over the shiny piece of plastic.


I put some of my aunt's records through hell when I was a kid. They still play. On the other hand, kids and cds don't really go too well together. Although it's a dead medium (for damn good reasons), I say that cassette was the best medium for kids.

Brian Bubonic wrote:How about 8-track or mini-disc?


I still have a minidisc deck from when I was a hardcore minidisc geek in the 90's. While I know you are being sarcastic, I could make you a King in Yellow minidisc, or even a King in Yellow DAT if you so desired. Unfortunately I no longer have my 8-track recorder.
The unofficial archivist. Keep digitizing those old recordings everybody!

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Postby Brian Bubonic » Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:50 pm

I still think having bootleg flexis etched on old x-rays in Russia if my prefered format.
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